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Thursday, July 13, 2006

INDONESIA revolutionary critic

THIS THESIS HAD BEEN REJECTED BY INDOMARXIS-YAHOOGROUPS

Melihat perkembangan gerakan gerakan sosialis dan progresif di Indonesia yang melempem akhir akhir ini sehabis dipilihnya salah seorang jendral Militer menjadi presiden Republikborjuis Indonesia maka kami perlu mengadakan otokritik terhadap kegagalan-kegagalan gerakan kita untuk menarik simpati massa penduduk. Kriktik kami bagi dalam 6 point.

1. Berbual tiada guna; bekerja lebih penting.

Sudah cukuplah sudah jual beli maki-makian yang terjadi selama ini di forum- forum diskusi kita; memnunjukkan borok musuh memang perlu tapi obral kata-kata bertuah macam revolusi belum selesai, hancurlah kapitalisme, perjuangkan keadilan rakyat, hapus militerisme, boykot pemilu, dll tidak membuat keadaan lebih baik.

2. Sumber Daya Manusia kita sangatlah lemah dan kurang pendidikan.

Marxisme percaya kepada sains dan kecerdasan. Bagaimana mungkin bisa sukses revolusi bila didukung oleh otak-otak kelas dua atau tiga? Otak kaum muda yang terbaik sangat kita perlukan demi perjuangan revolusioner; mana ada juara Olimpiade Fisika yang menjadi anggota kita?

3. Apa maksudnya gerakan tani dan buruh?

Mau menjadikan petani-petani "low skilled" dan buruh-buruh "low skilled" ditempat mereka masing-masing, ketrampilan produksi rendah dan dibayar mahal? Revolusi Tiongkok dimenangkan sebagian partisipasi kaum buruh tani ( bukan tani kulak pemilik tanah ) yang telah transformasi jadi prajurit tempur militan meninggalkan asal mereka sebagai tukang-tukang cangkul lembek penuh klenik dan tahyul sejenis santet, gendruwo atau nenek lampir.

4.Apa maksudnya GerakanAnti Militerisme?

Dalam analisa materialisme historis militer itu bagian dari suprastruktur atau bangunan atas dari struktur kapitalis, ekses dari gaya hidup borjuis . Selama diseluruh dunia kaum borjuis memerintah maka militer pasti ada dan eksis; kalau ngga di negeri kita ya pasti di negeri tetangga yang bisa dipastikan akan menghantam kita dengan militernya sebagai aksi solidaritas antar borjuis. Sejarah menunjukkan kepahitan kekalahan komune-komune anti militer selama ini; Komune Paris 1871, soviet Bavaria 1919, republik Spanyol 1936, komite rakyat Italia 1945, komite rakyat Yunani 1947, republik Mesir 1956, tragedi Chile 1974, terakhir Sandinista EL Salvador 1985. Tidak usah mimpi ada kemenangan damai lawan borjuis kapitalis. Menurut kami militer itu tak usah dilawan; sama seperti agama-agama publik, mereka akan punah dengan sendirinya seperti dinosaurus. "Change the climate and foodchain, it would kills the dinosaurs." Ubahlah iklim dan rantai makanan mereka, maka dinosaurus raksasa akan punah dengan sendirinya.

5. Tidak ada program yang jelas dan radikal dari gerakan-gerakan di Indonesia.

Gerakan Golput tidak akan mengubah apa-apa. Gerakan pro subsidi dan rasionalisasi BUMN itu ketinggalan jaman. Gerakan Koperasi Hatta saja sudah rusak bin amburadul. Apa maksudnya dengan gerakan pro subsidi? Berbagi uang rampokan dari perusahan-perusahan tambang asing untuk dikonsumsi rame-rame? Memberi orang-orang malas di Indonesia hasil keringat buruh produktif Tiongkok atau Vietnam? Maksudnya apa buruh kita mau hidup konsumsi leha-leha hasil keringat buruh-buruh miskin di RRT dan Vietnam?

Sebenarnya siapa sih yang teriak-teriak stop barang murah impor dari Tiongkok atau India atau Vietnam? Apakah sebagai buruh proletar kita lebih setia kepada saudara kita yang jadi camat di kampung atau petugas sortir Bea cukai si pelabuhan daripada sesama buruh proletar miskin di Kamboja atau Tiongkok?

Solidaritas buruh itu sedunia man! Kalo buruh sedunia tidak bersatu maka beginilah jadinya, jadi orang kalah melulu.

6. Tidak ada kesadaran kelas di negeri Indonesia ini.

Fakta menunjukkan bahwa 90 % populasi negeri ini termasuk dalam kategori borjuis semi feodal tani plus massa borjuis kecil pengiringnya.Usaha mewujudkan kesadaran proletar beserta propagandanya kurang dikedepankan dan dikoordinasi.

Ada begitu banyak media yang tersedia belakangan ini tetapi sepertinya kurang dimanfaatkan untuk propaganda.

Kalo satu stasiun televisi swasta bisa memobilisasi 10 juta orang dalam sehari untuk kirim SMS memilih penyanyi jejadian bikinan televisi itu masakan gerakan kita tidak bisa bikin gebrakan serupa? Penyanyi jejadian yang ngga jelas produksinya saja bisa memukau puluhan juta orang dalam waktu singkat; masakan kita yang mengaku buruh proletar militan pejuang produktif tidak bisa melakukan aksi serupa? Coba mana ada polling SMS memilih penulis terbaik pembela rakyat?

Di dunia komputer misalnya ada LINUX dan OSM yang gratis; tapi ada berapa organisasi Progresif yang memakai full-LINUX dalam komputer-komputer mereka? Gerakan sosialis takakan berhasil bila dipimpin orang yang keinginannya terpecah-pecah.

Perang Wacana atau Perang KULTUR adalah bagian penting dan berat dari perjuangan kita. KULTUR yang lembek dan tak disiplin adalah wahana paling nyaman dari para penjajah Kapitalis yang Cerdas dan Disiplin tinggi. Sepengamatan kami, negeri kita ini adalah tempat istirahat santai para Kapitalis yang tertawa menonton orang orang primitif yang berpatut patut meniru lagak gaya mereka demi sepenggal duit recehan hadiah Tuan tuan Kapitalis. Jadi apa yang kita kaum proletar Indonesia harapkan untuk menang? Duit receh Mister Bill Gates atau Larry Allison yang bertobat jadi Marxist??

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Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Real Intention of STALINIST CHINA

Quote from Richard Spencer,18th, April, 2006, The Telegraph Blog....

More in keeping with the latter is China Shakes the World, by the former Financial Times bureau chief here in Beijing, James Kynge. Kynge studied in China in the early 1980s and for his long experience is regarded as a doyen of China hands among the journalist community. His book has been long awaited. Its story is gripping: how the rise of China is affecting the world elsewhere in ways it often does not realise until it is too late.

What makes it such a good read is that it is not an economic text-book, but a series of images. It starts off with a steel plant in the Ruhr being stripped and taken apart bit by bit by a thousand Chinese workers whose ability to work all hours, every day, stuns the German locals. Next time we see Kynge, and the plant, the Chinese are rebuilding it complete on the shores of the Yangtse, where it goes on to capitalise on the rise of the steel price that Chinese economic growth has brought about and the Germans never saw coming when they closed the factory down. We all know Chinese manufacturing is challenging the west. Kynge explains how, and throws in, perhaps unintentionally, ripostes to some of the more complacent and political analyses that dominate European and American thinking at the moment.

It's a commonplace, for example, to complain that in the United States the rich are getting richer and the middle classes are getting poorer. Nothing to do with politics, suggests Kynge - while companies can make huge profits by outsourcing to China (which improves directors' and investors' shares), everyone earning between $25-75,000 is having their pay squeezed by the fact that Chinese workers earn a fraction of that for doing the same thing. That applies even if you are not in direct competition.

Countries and companies that think they are doing OK may just be failing to understand what is happening. He talks about the Italian textile town which expanded rapidly as Chinese illegal immigrants arrived in the 1980s - lots of new, cheap labour made things look good for a while, and the number of textile firms in the town rose from 4,000 to 6,000. Now, those same Chinese immigrants are buying the firms, and outsourcing the production back home. The 3,000 firms that are left are increasingly empty "front-of-house" for the manufacturing process elsewhere. Kynge even reveals a Savile Row tailor who takes his client's measurements just like the old days - then emails them to China. The suit arrives in the post. What neither book can tell us definitively is the dynamics of where this is heading.

Here are some statistics I have come across recently. They are well-known to the experts but probably not to most ordinary people, I would hazard.
The United States' share of world industrial output grew between 1990 and 2002 from 20 to 23 per cent
Britain's share, on the other hand, fell from 4.1 per cent to 3.2 per cent
France's share stayed constant, at 4.7 per cent
Germany's share fell substantially, from 10.2 per cent to 7.9 per cent
Yet Germany still has the world's biggest trade surplus - bigger, did you know, than China, Japan and India combined?

Put together, do these figures not challenge everything you thought you knew about Germany and France being economic basket-cases, Britain being a model of successful liberal reforms, the US being crippled by competition from China (as its congressmen would have it)? The answer is not clear.

France and Germany, according to Kynge when talking about his book the other day, are indeed complacent. Germany's peculiar figures - high trade surplus and dwindling share of manufacturing - are a reflection of what happened in Japan. The cheaper stages of manufacturing, which use more labour and are thus less productive, have already moved east, keeping the trade surplus up but reducing employment. In France, this is all still to come, but come it must. America may be like the Italian textile town - the rise before the fall.

What's not clear is whether Britain's figures mean we have less to fear - because our manufacturing decline has already happened - or more.

And likewise, back down the farm, what is the future for Anhui's farmers? All the stories Chen and Wu tell are, of necessity, from the 1990s. Now the government is promising to boost rural incomes, to make it easier for farmers' boat to stay afloat. Or will the money being doled out just empower the hoodlums who run local Party committees even more, and tread China's hundreds of millions of peasants even further underfoot?

THIS IS SO CLEAR TO PROLETARIAT MONDIAL

CHINESE PROLETARIAT MAKING SACRIFICES TO FUTURE WORLD REVOLUTION!!

ONE DAY ON THE FUTURE ALL THE PARASITIC PETIT BOURGEOIS WILL DOWN JOBLESS!

WHY?
BECAUSE ALL PRODUCTIVE JOBS WILL BE MOVED TO CHINA>>>

FOR THE REST OF 900.000.000 PEASANT IN CHINA WILL GET PETIT BOURGEOIS FATE THEY DESERVED...

TRANSFORM TO PROLETARIAT OR BECOME A BEGGAR-CRIPPLED PARASITE THAT DEPENDS THEIR LIFE ON GOVERNMENT....

Monday, July 03, 2006

Socialist group Myspace forum

THE IDEAL OF SOCIALIST SOCIETY
posting by "God hates fakes",22, m, Minnesota, USA

because under socialism, there would be,

1. Free education from pre-school, to the highest levels of grad school. Meaning, anyone who wants any sort of job can have, any sort of job they like, so long as they're willing to put the time into it.

2. There would be zero unemployment. Meaning, all workplaces would be flooded with workers, and has already been mentioned previously, everyone could do shifts of the shit work (say a couple hours a month), until the shit work is completely phased out by robots.

3. People would be making a lot more money, and working a lot less. Thus, playing on the argument of "people are naturally greedy and want to get ahead", well now they can find other clever ways of getting ahead, THAT DON'T INVOLVE WORK. Which goes into number 4...

4. And since the work week would be dramatically reduced, and wages increased, people would start to realize "holy crap, I'm *not* just my job!! Who knew that I could paint, or write, or dance, or sing, or play the guitar/piano/accordian/kazoo/spoons so well??"

Which isn't to mention the fact that we'd have socialist scientists working in cooperation with each other, for the common good, as opposed to working in competition with each other, working for profit. Meaning, cures for diseases will be discovered a lot quicker, and will be a lot cheaper, and more accessible.

Those are as good incentives as any if you ask me.

Saturday, May 20, 2006

Wallmart is efficient bust local petitbourgeois

MYSPACE SOCIalist Forum on Wallmart.
Posted: May 19, 2006 1:34 PM

VinceWrote:

JoaquinWrote:

>>Hasta la victoria siempre!!!!Wrote:

BromleyWrote:
I quite like walmart, I mean everything there is good value and they always have the things I want in stock. I am thoroughly against the small independant shops though as they think they can charges high prices and get away with it. I think we should get rid of all these fascist small shops and replace them with superstores like walmart which gives better choice to the consumer. This would be the obvious first step towards a socialist society.

this guy is joking right?

No, its quite logical.

its not that we're against big superstores, were against who owns them... means of production. superstores would still exist is a post-capitalist society, just without the exploitation of workers, ant-unionism, CEO's reaping the profits.

I agree. WalMart is very efficient and they are able gt products from all over the world into the most remote locations. I think that a central distribution warehouse model, similar to WalMart will be an essential feature of a post capitalist society.

I think it is a bourgeois insinuation into communism to assume that mom and pop retailers are any better than superstores.

Friday, May 19, 2006

Technorati could provoke Revolution

Myspace socialist forum.........
PETIT BOURGEOUIS IS NO FRIEND OF PROLETARIAT....

Posted: Feb 27, 2006 7:11 PM
It's hardly "liberal nonsense".

My position on small businesses is influenced by the Transitional Program and the failure of forced collectivization in the USSR - also by a little common sense. Expropriating and nationalizing every mom and pop store would be nothing but tyranny, and bad economic policy at that. At some point, small businesses will fade out of the picture all together, but it should be a gradual and voluntary transition.

Over 90% of farms in the US are already agribusiness, corporate controlled anyway. What has happened there, will eventually happen with retail.

USA will start THE REVOLUTION...

BOY,SOCIALISM IS A HARD WORK TO COME>>
Posted: Feb 8, 2006 1:19 PM
Hey!Wrote:

xxxx philth!Wrote:

What incentives for working hard do you have now?

That I will have a chance to make a shitload more money than other people if i do a kick ass job

also people become docters and engineers and stuff for the sole reason of making tons more money than say a factory worker

APOLOGIA DIALECTICA...
Oh boy, yeah. As an IT worker, I get to go into debt to pay for school, work 50-60 hours per week and then have to train my replacement.

In capitalism, it doesn't matter how hard you work or how kick ass you are. If management think they can replace you, they will.

The incentive/reward is not soley an illusion. Some lucky few get the reward - enough to convince the rest of us to keep slaving away. It's the carrot. The stick is that if we don't play the game, we go homeless.

The wealth we see around us today in the US is wealth that was wrestled away from the ruling class in struggle. Workers in industries that were paid starvation wages braved bullets and clubs to unionize and demand higher wages and better conditions.
Even the doctors and engineers benefited from this - they had to be paid higher than the flunkies they looked down upon (and a clue here: many of these professions don't actually make more than unionized workers and certainly don't have the benefits.)
And now.... now the ruling class is taking away those gains. Pensions are disappearing, more and more people don't have health care.

Fewer and fewer people are going to get the carrot and the stick is getting bigger.

Why socialism failed in Russia n East Europe

HISTORY MAKES SENSE
MYspace Socialist FOrum
Posted: Feb 7, 2006 8:17 PM
Hey!Wrote:
Whats the deal? I really like the general idea of socialism, but what happened to these countries, because it seems like it would suck to live there, and theres more poor people there than in our country... It seems like it has never really been successfully implemented on a large scale...

And also my ecenomics proffessor keeps telling me it wont work because workers don't have the motivation to work the hardest they can... especially highly technical jobs like doctors and stuff...

ANSWER APOLOGIA
I will try and be short because i'm pressed for time. It's not this black and white though. I'll do Russia.

There are a number of many reasons:

* The material means for socialism to flourish were not there. (Today in America, 3% from the top financial elite would be enough)

* Was still entirely agrarian and more-or-less feudal, they were operating in backwardness and isolation-- as opposed to developed capitalism which must be the precursor for socialism to work. The proletarian revolution can be the result only of the highest development of capitalism. It puts an end to capitalism. The revolutions in the eastern countries were the consequences of the beginning of capitalism in these countries.

* The country was ravished by civil war

* 14 capitalist countries were trying to overthrow the revolution

* The failure of the revolution to spread. It's failure to spread to Germany had a big impact. We all know what this led to (nazis taking power).

* The deaths of leaders like Liebnecht and Rosa Luxemburg.

* The advent of Stalin and his bureaucracy

Posted: Feb 7, 2006 8:21 PM

While Philth is 100% correct, i tend to try to shift the focus away from the popular appeal to popular knowledge - knowledge which is populated with bias and misunderstanding.

The USSR was not a 'failure' - its goal was socialism - in that sense alone it 'failed'. Compared to what any other country was doing or did in a similar situation, it was a triumphant success and was actually considered THE model to follow for billions of people and their 'representative' governments the world over.

But if you aim for the moon and miss, well baby, you're still one of the stars.

Religion and Marxism

JESUS IS a DIALECTICAL MATERIALIST
OLD MARXIST OPINION
May 18, 2006 5:15 PM
Subject: Religion and marxism
Body: ok i have notied there are a few questions about the role of religion, and its links to capitalism, so i thouht i'd post this again.

read this:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1905/misc/socialism-churches.htm

its an article by Rosa Luxemburg, about the history of christianity, how jesus was a communist, how the church betrayed this belief, and how the church is a tool of capitalist oppresion, its really good.

this one is a article by the great Alan Woods, a brilliant britsh trotskyist, this is pretty much like the Rosa Luxemburg, but this one mentions why Atheism should be followed by communists, why god does not exist, life after death, the church today, and how the origins of christianity are communist (the act of the apothles) its titled Marxism and religon. for those who dont want to read it because it is trotskyist, dont worry, you cant actually tell.

http://www.marxist.com/Theory/marxism_and_religion.html

article written by Lenin:

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm

basically talks about how the church is used by the capitalists, to "spiritually oppress" them.

"Religion is a sort of spiritual booze, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of man." Lenin

Wednesday, April 05, 2006

Argument against Falungong crackdown

Myspace bulettin from a Bourgeoise Propaganda....
Date: Apr 5, 2006 9:06 PM

Did you know that China is killing people for meditating?
In 1992, a spiritual practice called Falun Gong was introduced in China. This spiritual practice is based on the principles of truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance (Zhen Shan Rhen). For seven years the Chinese government supported this spiritual practice because it proved good "health benefits" and "increased morality." By 1999 over a million people were practicing, including some government officials, (outnumbered the 70 million registered members of the comunist party). Jiang Zemin, the president of China felt that this threatened the political party, although those who practice Falun Gong never wanted to overthrow or take over the political system.

In 1999 the president decided to ban this spiritual practice and make it illegal to practice. The president spread false propaganda about the practice claiming that those who believe in this are suicidal, dont ever go to the doctors, are in a cult, and claimed that many have died as a result of practicing. However, if one reads the teachings of Falun Gong they well note that this is against the teachings. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has manipulated and twisted the teachings. This manipulation is what is used to justify killing, raping, torturing, and removing organs from those who practice. Does it make sense that the CCP is trying to stop people from practicing so they won't kill themselves by killing them? What kind of logic is that? I practice Falun Gong and have personally read the teachings and also have read what the CCP has spread and know that they are false.

When the persecution began in 1997, Falun Gong practitioners, were removed from there homes and sent to prisons. "610 officers" (Chinese Police) have permission to raid anybody's house they believe practice Falun Gong and throw away and burn their books and teachings. During this year there were labor camps developed were "practitioners" of Falun Gong were sent to be tortured and could only be released if they signed a document stating they would not practice anymore. They are forced to quit. However, many practitioners do not sign and as a result are starved, force-fed, beaten, raped, and persecuted. There have been over 2,000 confirmed deaths. I have personally met Chinese who have escaped China so that they can come here to practice truthfulness, compassion, and forbearance. The CCP will never be able to eliminate people who believe in these ethical principles.

More shocking news. Recently, a Nazi like concentration camp was revealed in China. A witness came forth and testified to Congress about his experience. This concentration camp is responsible for "organ harvesting," and contains about 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners. They are removing the organs from there bodies and selling abroad for profit. The witness was a medical doctor who removed organs from practitioners who were not even dead yet.
No Bodies Business: Where do these organs come?

OUR ANSWER....
You have to look from the context of Proletarian China...
Those Falungong people is threatening peace by demonstrating one individual is superior than another individual in socialist China....
Anyway, those Falungong people are already live in Heaven, aren't they?
So our party just remove them into isolated individual heaven, out of real living ugly,inferior,earthy proletariat in CHINA....
aBOUT DEATH? We never talk about dead in socialism...Why?
Because we see ourselves as living group, not individual;
what do you think a building MOUSELEUM of DEAD KAMERAD
Lenin and Mao?

Thursday, March 30, 2006

Public versus Private??

"SOUNDS LIKE TROTZKYIST VERSUS STALINIST DEBATE?"
myspace business millionaire forum....:)
Posted: Feb 1, 2006 5:33 PM

Sorry mitch - you havent seen the emails i've gotten from him, its more than what you can see here.

Clive summed up a good deal of what i wanted to say - my time is short here.

Not bashing other companies and coming on too strong is a big part of it.

Learn to say what you've been taught to say - without saying it in the same words...

IE "A company with a ground breaking product, not a ground breaking company"

You're still embellishing on your company's product.

The BEST way to get business is not to sell your business - but to give advice about it, and say thats what i do for a living. After they have interest, you can tell them more and shove it down their throat for all they can handle, but in a general forum like this, you're viewed as spam and annoyance and no one listens to you. Just like the successful people here probably get spammed by MLM companies daily like i do myself, or other opportunities.
"WE CALL THIS FAILURE REEDUCATION TACTIC"

Those who contact me as REAL PEOPLE and personally, get the time of day - those who copy and paste hype/sales letter get the spam button.
"WE CALL THIS BOURGEOIS UTOPIA"